Podcast Version
Many people who sell a website leave money on the table… lots of money.
How?
By expensing the content cost.
If you’re about to sell a site, read on. This may put a few or a lot of bucks into your pocket.
How are websites valued?
Net income is the main factor in valuing a website. A buyer takes the net income and applies a multiplier to it.
The multiplier value is where a buyer and seller take other factors into account such as growth rate, age, authority, inbound links, etc. If a site is solid, consistently growing and has been around for a while, it will fetch a higher multiple.
There are other factors that go into it. In fact, one buyer may value a site higher than another prospective buyer. It’s not strictly formulaic. A site is worth what someone will pay. However, what someone is willing to pay is in-part based on net income.
Last year someone offered to buy one of my websites. It was exciting. It would have been a decent amount of cash.
I wasn’t serious about selling, but that offer prompted me to carefully assess the profit and loss statements (P&L) of that site.
What I noticed was that my content costs were considerable, but I justified it for future growth. Then it occurred to me that if my investment in content is for future growth, current content cost is not relevant to the current valuation.
When I extracted the content cost from the P&L, net income was much higher which immediately increased the value of the site by a ton.
That’s when I realized many sites sold these days are undervalued because the “standard practice” is to count content cost as an expense that reduces the net income used in valuation.
I believe that is a wrong approach.
I set out 3 arguments down below. But before we get to my arguments, I thought it would be helpful to get insights from website brokers and site publishers who have sold sites in the past.
I reached out to a number of folks. Here’s the question I put to them followed by their responses.
The question put to website brokers and website sellers:
Is it your view that current content costs should be considered an expense and therefore reduce net income used for valuing a site?
My short answer
I believe content is an investment. It should not be expensed resulting in lower net income that’s used for valuation.
For example, if a site’s revenue is $5,000 per month with $1,000 spent per month on content, the income used for valuation should be $5,000, not $4,000. If a 30 net income multiple is used, the value in my view would be $5,000 x 30 = $150,000. It would NOT be $4,000 x 30 = $120,000.
Here are the responses from a few website brokers and niche site publishers:
Website Brokers’ Opinions
1. Flippa’s Response
Hi Jon,
“Thanks for reaching out.
In order for a potential buyer to have a clear understanding of a site’s profitability, we believe that a seller should include every outlay the site incurs to operate.
Kindly check out the information provided in this article:
https://support.flippa.com/hc/en-us/articles/202470154-Website-Monthly-Expense-Figures?
Hope this helps. Please let us know if you have any further questions.”
Cheers,
Joey R
Marketplace Integrity
Flippa
2. Latona’s Response
“It is an expense. To claim it isn’t would be to claim that the content is some sort of capital asset like furniture, inventory, etc, Capital assets can be sold off and liquidated and turned into another form of capital ‘cash”. You can’t do that with content and continue to operate the site. Once the money is spent, it’s a sunk cost. If you are reporting the trailing 12 months of revenue and expenses and you spent $48,000 on content, then you have had $48,000 in expenses.””
Rick Latona
Latona’s
3. Empire Flippers’ Response
“This is actually a recent change we just did at the brokerage. Before we used to count content expenses as part of the operating budget for the website, so it would hurt the overall valuation of the business if you were buying content on a monthly basis.
But, we realized this doesn’t make much sense when you consider that almost all new content is a growth investment not a maintenance investment. So now we add back all of the content expenses from the P&L so it doesn’t affect the actual valuation anymore. Of course, buyers will see the content expenses still and so they may still negotiate on that portion depending on how it is being done.
From a valuation standpoint though, content expenses are not considered required expenses to maintain the business “as-is” so it is not counted in the valuation as an expense.””
Greg Elfrink
Empire Flippers
4. FE International’s Response
“”We have been making adjustments to P&Ls based on content costs for a number of years now. It is a lot more complicated than just including all content expenses or adding back all – it is usually somewhere in the middle. The key is being transparent with buyers so they can make their own judgment. We recently applied this approach to a site where content investment was quite significant on a monthly basis: https://www.authorityhacker.com/how-to-sell-your-business/ – have noticed other brokers copying our approach since this case study went live.
For almost all content-based businesses, regular content is an essential part of maintaining the business, therefore the majority of content expenses would be included in the P&L and valuation. We look to find a balance between what is necessary and what is content for future expansion purposes and then include a reasonable maintenance cost in the financials.
We have an extremely advanced proprietary valuation model which looks at tens of thousands of data points so there is not a fixed rule we use – it depends on the business and judgment at the time.
The solution to increasing valuation is definitely not cutting back content expenses prior to a sale. Savvy buyers will notice this and reduce their offer on the expectation this will affect the future of the business. Similar to if an owner of a software business stops investing in development or an e-commerce business stops buying stock.
Ultimately, buyers are becoming more and more knowledgeable so trying to hide content expenses or cut back on content is not sensible. Focus on running your business well and buyers will recognize that and pay accordingly.”
Many thanks,
John
FE International
Website Sellers’ Opinions
I thought it would be helpful to get insights from niche site publishers who have sold sites in the past. Here are a few:
1. Income School
When most businesses or investment assets are bought and sold, they’re done so on a basis of current and ongoing value. The current value of any investment is the time-adjusted estimated value of all future net income for that investment. In the case of a website, its real value is the sum of all future income from the site minus all future costs associated with that income, with all future income adjusted for time and risk. It sounds complex but it’s fairly straightforward.
But, because most of us have a hard time grasping what that really means, a lot of businesses just take the most recent year or two of income minus expenses to estimate an average annual income, and then multiply that by some number to get an estimated value. That some number varies dramatically by industry and is really just a way of approximating what I talked about before, the future income for the business adjusted for time and risk.
That point in saying all that is that past income is intended to be an estimate of future earnings. But if you’re in growth phase for a site and have more expenses because you’re buying content, and those are expenses that won’t be incurred in the future to earn the same revenue, then those expenses don’t accurately reflect the costs of running that business in the future. In short, those expenses aren’t an accurate reflection of the future.
But, that’s not how people in our industry tend to look at it. They look at the past 12 months, usually, calculate revenue minus cost, and divide it by 12 get to get average monthly net income. Then, they multiply that by some multiplier, usually between about 20 and 40, based on the industry, growth trajectory, etc. and they use that number to estimate the value of your site.
So you just spent a bunch of time and money building a site that now earns a mostly passive income with almost no cost, but your valuation is based on all that money you spent for content.
I think the expenses that should be included are ongoing expenses. Basically, we should be projecting the future based on the trajectory of the site’s revenue and then we should be projecting the cost based on all the costs required to attain the projected revenue. If it’s going to take 0 per month of content to keep the site on that trajectory, or to maintain its level of revenue, then that should be factored in. Startup and early growth costs shouldn’t.
So how do we deal with this when selling a site? Well, we’ve been fortunate to keep ourselves in a position where selling a site is never urgent. We never sell a site for at least a year after incurring all those early charges, so they drop off the radar by the time valuation comes around. We scale back all our expenses for several months before listing. Even if all costs don’t drop off, it’ll show an upward trajectory which usually leads to a higher multiplier.
The other thing we do for big sites, is we skip the website brokers and we look for a buyer in the industry that the site’s about. If we were selling a large website about fitness and dieting, we might try to get it acquired by one of the big fitness brands. Those kinds of buyers will be accustomed to a pro forma valuation so you just don’t have this same issue.
Ricky
Income School
2. Spencer Haws
I had never personally considered removing content costs as an expense when buying or selling a website. Now I wish I had!
I can still see both sides of the argument. On one hand, how can you say that the investments you made in content should not be considered an expense when it’s a direct reason for the earnings? On the other hand, I completely agree that if it was the owner’s time, this might very well be seen as an add-back. Or one could easily just stop all content expenses and say, “look, it costs nothing to run this site!””.
I think the right answer is that it varies case by case. Each buyer and seller need to come to an agreement of what a nominal content cost would be to maintain the income level of the site. This is a negotiation point for sure. The seller might be spending $1,000 a month on content for example. But the seller might be able to rightfully argue that to maintain the income level of the site, content expenses should be calculated at a more reasonable $250 a month. If the buyer agrees, you may be able to adjust the net income by a difference of $750 a month.
I don’t have a definitive answer, but I do think it should be a negotiation point that can definitely increase the sell value of your website.
My Arguments
1. Future growth
Current investment in content impacts future growth. Since valuations do not contemplate future revenue growth but instead are based on current and trailing 12 months, it’s reasonable not to reduce net income by the current content investment.
Moreover, all current revenue is a result of past expenses. No new content is needed in order to continue current earnings. It’s not as if you’re buying a coffee shop where you must hire people and pay wages to keep it going. It’s totally different.
You don’t have to add content to a site to maintain earnings. Therefore, future content is not an expense, but an investment a buyer chooses to make. It’s the same if a buyer of a building decides to add on to that building to collect more or higher rents.
2. What if the seller writes the content?
When a seller personally writes all the content, there’s no content expense. However, under traditional valuations where content cost is expensed, if the seller paid writers, that would reduce the value of the site.
Why should a site that hires writers be worth less than a site where the seller writes the content? It makes no sense.
For example, if the seller writes and publishes 3 articles per week. Assuming each article would cost to outsource, that’s 0 per month if the content were outsourced. If that $960 is expensed, that’s a significant reduction in net monthly income.
3. Stop investing in content 12 months before a sale
If I were planning to sell a site, I could reduce content costs 12 months in advance to very little or nothing (just like the guys at Income School do). Or, I could invest all ,000 into content up front, build the site and let it grow on its own for 2 years without new content. Let’s consider a couple of scenarios.
Scenario #1:
I start a site and invest ,000 into content all at once. I build out the site, let it sit and grow for 2 years. In 2 years time, the site is earning $5,000 per month. In this scenario, according to current practice, there’s pretty much no expenses attached to the site. At a 30 monthly multiple, the site is worth $150,000.
Scenario #2:
I invest ,000 into content over the 2 year period. That’s $2,000 per month. At the 2 year mark when I decide to sell, under current practice, I must report that expenses are ,000 per month for content. That means the site earns $3,000 per month. At a 30 monthly multiple, the site is worth $90,000.
I don’t understand why the same site with the same content would be valued so differently simply on the timeline of content investment.
Similar to real estate
When you sell real estate, you don’t reduce net income of the property by the cost to build the building as an expense. It’s already built. The cost is incurred. Yes, there are maintenance costs, etc. but the actual cost of building the structure and buying the land is done.
On the flip side, a manufacturing business or retail business has ongoing labor expenses that are necessary to earn a profit. Those expenses are directly attributed to revenue. That’s not the case with future content on a website. Future content is attributed to additional revenue. The current revenue is generated from past investment. In other words, future content will not go toward current revenue.
In my view, a website is more similar to a chunk of real estate than a manufacturing or retail business. Once built, its value is based on current expenses. If the new owner wants to add to the structure, that’s their business, but it shouldn’t be considered a current expense.
Similarly, at the time you sell your site, it should be considered built and paid for. What the buyer does with it is their business. They can sit on it and milk it for cash or invest and add to it. Buyers always argue that the value is based on current net income. I agree. Therefore, buyers can’t also say that net income should be lower due to content costs which only benefit the buyer in the future.
Exceptions
There’s one exception.
Ongoing content cost obligation
There’s one exception where content should be an expense that reduces the net income used for valuation and that is if the website is under contract to pay for future content.
When there’s a cost obligation attached to the sale, that’s an ongoing expense the buyer takes on.
What’s the real answer?
The real answer is your site is worth what someone is willing to pay for it and what you’re willing to accept. The market dictates the value.
Not all sites are sold for the same multiples. Some fetch high multiples (50 X net monthly income) while others low (10 X net monthly income) and most somewhere in between.
If this is the case, why publish this article?
2 reasons.
First, any leverage you have during negotiations, the better. You can use this as a negotiation. Maybe you and a buyer settle somewhere in between. That’s cool. There’s no rule that you have value a site in any particular way.
Second, the current industry standard is to expense content cost. I’d like to get the word out that this is not the most accurate way to value a site. I don’t expect my article to change the industry, but the more exposure this idea gets, the more likely the industry standard will change.
I’m happy to see that Empire Flippers is already on board with this approach. I suspect it won’t be long until other brokers follow suit. After all, the brokers that fetch sellers the most money get all the listings.
4 Tips for getting top dollar for your site
1. Avoid selling out of desperation
If you are forced to sell out of financial need, you’re likely gonna leave money on the table. Sometimes stuff happens in life and you have to liquidate. I get it. But, if you can avoid selling out of desperation, you have a better chance of fetching a higher price.
2. Plan your exit – slash costs well before the sale
Don’t wake up one day and decide to sell. Instead, plan the exit. I love Ricky’s strategy (from Income School) where he and his partner Jim cut down on expenses many months before a planned sale. This is brilliant. Since most site buyers focus on the trailing 12 months’ revenue and expenses, slash costs for those 12 months. Don’t slash them so much that you hurt revenue. Your goal is to maintain or even slightly grow revenue while keeping expenses to a minimum. If you normally spend $2,000 per month on content, cut down to 0 per month.
Is slashing costs fraudulent? Not at all. What if you built your entire site in the first month and then let it grow on its own. That works and happens all the time. Would that be fraudulent? Of course not. Moreover, why should you suffer a massive sale price discount for content investments that don’t benefit you but will benefit the buyer? It makes no sense. Okay, I’m repeating myself again. You get the point.
What if the seller asks for content investment for the last 12 months?
Obviously, as a seller, you need to disclose the amount invested in content. I have no problem with that. I just have a problem with deducting the content cost from revenue when calculating the net monthly income used in valuation.
I like Empire Flippers’ position where they suggest sellers don’t include the content cost in the Profit & Loss statement but still disclose it.
3. Improve/update your content before the sale
Instead of adding new content (which costs money), put some time into improving and updating the existing content. Dedicate a couple of hours per week during the 12 months before the sale. It’s very possible this is a much better investment of your time because you may be able to increase revenue faster during those 12 months than if you published new content. The higher you can get your revenue by sell time, and assuming net income increases as well, the better price you’ll fetch.
4. Use a broker that doesn’t require you to expense content cost
This is a practical application of this article. If you’re looking to sell your site and plan to use a broker, choose a broker that won’t require you to expense the cost of content.
Related: Why do websites sell for so little money?
Jon Dykstra is a six figure niche site creator with 10+ years of experience. His willingness to openly share his wins and losses in the email newsletter he publishes has made him a go-to source of guidance and motivation for many. His popular “Niche site profits” course has helped thousands follow his footsteps in creating simple niche sites that earn big.
we need Thomas Smale of Feinternational to weigh in, now
I think you opened the Hornets nest, dude.
Hey Quinton,
Good suggestion Quinton. I asked them as well and they told me a response is coming but not sure when.
Very interesting discussion. There are a number of ways to value companies both old school and new. 1) As income school points out, there is a big difference between valuations based on current earnings and those based on future earnings. The problem with future earnings calculations (such as DCF method) are generally reserved for high growth plays and can monumentally overstate valuations and can be manipulated by cap rates. They also rely on projections which are always worthless. The inaccuracies are legendary. So while one may claim that one’s content expense will result in hockey stick growth curve, that is easy for the buyer to ignore.
2) The good old rule of thumb method (mutliples and capex and IRS forumula) is very simple, fair and it brings you back to the present, it only departs from reality when you start doing it off of revenue. But it does require you to accurately represent adjusted earnings (adjust for post closing expenses) of which content expense would ordinarily be one.
3) If content were an investment then it would be an asset rather than an expense. It is then true it would not be part of the profit valuation it would be an addition to the asset valuation. For example it would be similar to selling your inventory separately on top of your profit valuation which is done all the time. Ordinarily you would not spend money monthly to maintain your investment but if you did it may well increase in value but more likely, in the case of content, it would depreciate if not maintained . Enter the real estate scenario.
4) The question then becomes what kind of asset is it? A capital asset such as buildings and equipment are depreciable because they have a useful life. The criteria can be they represent large dollar amount outlays which indeed do have value in the operation. They are depreciated which is an expense. They also require periodic capital expeditures, another capital asset, and repairs and other expenses. At the end of their useful life they are worth almost nothing on paper. But you have plenty of expenses in the operating profit of a real estate investment which tend to decrease the value. You also maybe have appreciation, but that is assessed by separate market appraisal and added to the potential asset value of the company. The value is by no means automatic and it is arrived at based on a marketable intrinsic asset or an ongoing operation, usually not both. So I don’t think the real estate analogy works to save your valuation from content expenses.
Bottom line, you may consider your content expenses an investment, but unless it has characteristics of an investment it would usually not fly. You may figure it has future value, but it is guesswork to figure that out, unless or course it has characteristics of royalties and you actually have predictable earnings from it or tied to it. Over time you content may have some value or it may have no value. It is actually a piece of the goodwill you are selling along with the company. or value over and above the assets. So it really can’t hold up as anything but an expense.
Hi Rockwell,
Great input. Thank you. Assuming your analysis is correct and content is an expense, then there could be a huge benefit to following Income School’s playbook which is to severely reduce or eliminate content costs in the 12 months preceding a planned sale. Assuming revenue remains stable during the preceding 12 months, the sale price would be higher than if content costs continued to the sale date.
Or, it may make more sense to invest all content up front and let a site grow. While adding content can help a site, I don’t believe you have to add lots of content every month to maintain traffic. I have sites that I haven’t touched in over a year that has stable traffic for years.
On the flip side, if a site is growing nicely, it may be better to keep investing in content to sale date to continue that growth which may fetch a higher sale price than if no growth in preceding 12 months. Of course, you don’t know 12 months before a planned sale whether continuing to add content will fuel growth or not – or at least fuel sufficient growth to fetch a sale price that compensates for the cost of the content reflected in sale price.
I’ve sold a few sites and one of the first questions I’m always asked is “how much time do you spend on the site and what are you doing with that time”. If I’m writing all of the content myself, I’ve had buyers estimate what they would pay to outsource the content going forward and factor that into the expenses that they will have for running the site. In that case, I feel like it basically all ends up being the same. However, as you said, every buyer is going to value the site differently. I sold a site last year and I felt like my time wasn’t really factored into the valuation as much as it had been with other sites. I outsourced some of the content but I also created some of it myself. In that case I think I would have lost money by outsourcing everything, for the reasons that you mentioned.
Hey Marc,
Great point. Yeah, buyers will consider the time put in by sellers if sellers write all the content. Thanks for bringing that up.
Another great post, Jon. And yes, I think your advice is spot-on. Plan ahead for the sale and lower investment during that year.
Now, this should also give you a good perspective on future earnings potential. Sites that rely on fresh content (like news sites) will sink without constant investment in content. This will de-value the site both directly (lower monthly revenue figures) and in terms of projected earnings (the site will be on a clear downward trajectory).
A site that doesn’t lose traffic when you stop feeding it fresh content is a more solid buy anyway. Then again, unless it’s some golden niche with very little competition, chances are you will be seeing some decrease in traffic after a year.
By the way, you could take one of the scenarios to the extreme, to show the problem:
Imagine investing $10K a month in quality content for six months and then selling. With no actual profit, the site will have zero – or negative! – value. Clearly, with $60K worth of content, it’s worth quite a lot. And yes, these sites are not easy to sell. I’ve seen a few people trying and the response is lukewarm at best.
Good points Anne. Thanks for the comment.
Great post Jon! I was just asked this in the Flipping Websites Facebook group (I founded) where someone linked to you. I posted this comment:
Content for me is an investment / asset and what may be considered necessary to maintain existing traffic may actually be to prune / delete it. I use net revenue which is pretty much gross revenue minus hosting and any PBN link rental. Up to around $500k, even VA time is an ambiguous one as it could just be captured in number of hours the owner spends per week. Using revenue and not profit as the multiple enables investors to more easily work out ROI and compare between deals. It’s up to the new owner if they want to withdraw the maximum profit or reinvest it all.
Hey Jon, good read. I agree with your logic.
When someone buys a website, in most cases, they aren’t buying a “business”. They are buying a domain name and website in its current form. However much money is took to create the site is irrelevant. It doesn’t affect how the site currently is.
Excellent read. I have in the past sold websites that were purely content based in the sense that no actual profits could be shown.
My buyers were interested in the intellectual property as a base for future income, so investing in a writer/designer.
I firmly believe that counting content as a cost is completely wrong. Content has a minimum value (what was paid for it, or the time invested vs standard rates if you wrote it yourself) and a future value.
Of course, that does not apply to every type of content. New facts or events could render your articles pointless or even false, for example.
So we should also look into what is Evergreen content and what is not. Evergreen should then for sure never be counted as a cost as it is the pillar of your website. Content that needs constant updating could be considered a permanent cost.